{"id":206,"date":"2006-08-21T00:11:01","date_gmt":"2006-08-20T22:11:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.lucas-nussbaum.net\/blog\/?p=206"},"modified":"2006-08-21T00:11:01","modified_gmt":"2006-08-20T22:11:01","slug":"who-is-using-debians-and-ubuntus-development-versions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.lucas-nussbaum.net\/blog\/?p=206","title":{"rendered":"Who is using Debian&#8217;s and Ubuntu&#8217;s development versions ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.netsplit.com\/blog\/work\/canonical\/newest_software.html\">Scott J. Remnant claimed that<\/a> <em>it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s the development community that use Debian testing or unstable.<\/em> This doesn&#8217;t match my personal experience (I know many people running Debian testing\/unstable who aren&#8217;t interested in Debian development), however I needed a better way to check this than just &#8220;my personal experience&#8221;. So I tried to answer the following question :<\/p>\n<p><strong>Are normal users using Ubuntu edgy and Debian testing\/unstable, or do they stick with Ubuntu dapper and Debian stable ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Simplified summary:<\/strong> (read below for details)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Ubuntu users:<br \/>\n&#8230;Ubuntu dapper (stable): 96%<br \/>\n&#8230;Ubuntu edgy (development): 4%<br \/>\nDebian users:<br \/>\n&#8230;Debian sarge (stable): 24%<br \/>\n&#8230;Debian testing\/unstable (development): 76%<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Detailed process:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>First, I did a poll on #ubuntu@irc.freenode.net using a CTCP VERSION query, and looked at people using Xchat and Ubuntu (<em>Ubuntu<\/em> is displayed in CTCP VERSION replies). I got 288 replies from Xchat users, 197 of them were using the Xchat package from Ubuntu. 189 (96%) of them are using version 2.6.1 (the version in Dapper), 8 (4%) of them are using versions 2.6.4 or 2.6.6.<\/p>\n<p>Then, I did the same poll on #debian@irc.oftc.net. I got 85 replies from Xchat users, and filtered out 15 of them because they weren&#8217;t from Debian users for obvious reasons. 17 users (24%) are using versions 2.4.0 or 2.4.1 (Debian sarge), 53 users (76%) are using versions 2.4.3, 2.4.4, 2.4.5, 2.6.1 and 2.6.4 (Debian testing\/unstable &#8211; v.2.6.4, the current version in testing\/unstable, has 41 users on its own). Statistically speaking, this isn&#8217;t very good, so I compared those results with another source of information : <a href=\"http:\/\/popcon.debian.org\/\">Debian popularity contest<\/a>. 3002 submitters are using v.1.28 of the popularity-contest package (version in sarge) while 9682 submitters are using v.1.33 (version currently in Debian testing\/unstable). That accounts for respectively 24% and 76% ! Same as above ! (OK, this is not so good, because I haven&#8217;t considered the intermediate versions here, while I did above)<br \/>\nOf course, those numbers are huge approximations, and are subject to a lot of hypotheses and questions, amongst them:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Are people on #ubuntu and #debian comparable ?<\/li>\n<li>Are Xchat users or popcon participants representative enough ?<\/li>\n<li>What about users of other IRC clients ? (I can&#8217;t do it with irssi, since its version didn&#8217;t change between dapper and edgy)<\/li>\n<li>What about people who change their CTCP VERSION reply ? Or disable it ?<\/li>\n<li>This only shows the system that people use to do IRC.<\/li>\n<li>Xchat users obviously run X on the system they are using. Irssi users don&#8217;t necessarly do, and I got slightly different results with #debian and irssi : 55 users of v.0.8.10 (Debian testing\/unstable), versus 30 users of v.0.8.9 (Debian stable). That makes 65%\/35% instead of 76%\/24%.<\/li>\n<li>This is done in the middle of the edgy dev cycle, and near the end of the etch dev cycle. This could change over time.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t run the same poll on #debian-devel and #ubuntu-devel because I received some unpleasant comments already, and don&#8217;t want to run into angry Debian or Ubuntu developers (I&#8217;m still <a href=\"https:\/\/nm.debian.org\/nmstatus.php?email=lucas%40lucas-nussbaum.net\">waiting for DAM approval<\/a> after all :-)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Scott J. Remnant claimed that it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s the development community that use Debian testing or unstable. This doesn&#8217;t match my personal experience (I know many people running Debian testing\/unstable who aren&#8217;t interested in Debian development), however I needed a better way to check this than just &#8220;my personal experience&#8221;. 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